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Why did Kaylee and Maddie go unchecked for nearly 8 hours?

Whether you think Bryan Kohberger is guilty as sin, may be involved with others, or is completely innocent, so many questions remain in the killings of four Idaho students in November 2022.

With the recent details showing survivors Dylan Mortensen and Bethany Funke were texting and even talking in-person after the murders took place on the second and third floors of the 1122 King Road residence, various questions still go unanswered. While those answers may come out at trial this summer, one question I have had for a while now is simple.

Why did no one living in the home (Dylan and Bethany) or several students who later came to the residence before authorities arrived at approximately 12-12:30 p.m. local time ever go check on Kaylee or Maddie on the third floor?

As the story goes, there were two victims on the third floor (Kaylee and Maddie) and two on the middle floor (Xana and Ethan). Since their vehicles were at the home all morning and after 12, wouldn’t one of the two survivors or friends who came to the home wonder where Kaylee and Maddie were? They supposedly texted/called them and got no response. As such, wouldn’t you go up and knock on their door/s at some point that morning? And where was Kaylee’s dog all this time? Hard to imagine the dog was not barking at some point during the morning.

As someone who has lived in a multi-story home both with family and roommates, the home at 1122 King Road was not some huge estate spread out on several acres. This makes it all the more confusing that there was no apparent contact with the two victims and the top floor until their lifeless bodies were sadly discovered.

While I have never accused Dylan or Bethany with being directly involved, their stories have many holes. If I was a juror this summer in Boise, there are MANY things I would want to know from these two.

One of the biggest questions I’d want an answer to, why you apparently never went and checked on the two oldest roommates on the third floor, especially after one of you said they saw a masked individual in the home in the very early morning hours.

So, why do you think no one apparently checked on Kaylee and Maddie for nearly eight hours, especially when their vehicles were out front and they couldn’t be reached on their phones?

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Details Emerge from Kohberger’s Pre-Trial Hearing

It is more than two years since four University of Idaho students were murdered at a home on 1122 King Road in Moscow.

Maddie Mogen, Kaylee Goncalves, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin died sometime in the early morning hours of Nov. 13, 2022 at the since torn down residence. The defendant in the case, Bryan Kohberger, was arrested nearly 3,000 miles away in late December of that year at his parents home in Pennsylvania.

On Wednesday in Boise, Kohberger was back in court for a consequential hearing to iron out some more of the pre-trial details ahead of a scheduled trial this August. The trial was moved from Moscow to Boise due to the notion that Kohberger would not receive a fair trial in the town where the deaths took place.

At Wednesdays hearing, the following emerged:

  • The terms psychopath and sociopath will be barred from the trial;
  • Judge Steven Hippler noted that he will not “police” language from both the defense and prosecution in his courtroom, but encouraged both sides to be careful with language they and individuals they call to testify use. There is concern that using wrong words could prejudice the case and possibly lead to a mistrial;
  • Members of Kohberger’s family will reportedly be called by the state as witnesses to his lifestyle prior to and shortly after the m*rders. Hippler suggested he would like to see them called early on in the trial so that they then can be in the courtroom to watch and support their family member moving on in the trial. Kohberger has two sisters along with his parents. Kohberger was visiting his parents in their Pennsylvania home when he was arrested shortly after Christmas of 2022;
  • Hippler will permit a 3D model of the former home on King Road to be seen at trial. As someone who has been to the home twice (outside only), I argued constantly that the home should have been left up until the trial was over. While I get the security costs and eyesore to the neighborhood, you can’t replace seeing the real thing. Even though it was reported authorities dismantled portions of the home inside during the investigation and a jury would not have been allowed in it during trial, even seeing it from the outside and walking the perimeter could have been proven valuable. My thoughts on the case changed somewhat after walking the area twice;
  • Testimony for the prosecution will be permitted regarding Kohberger’s reported purchase of a KA-BAR knife, sheath and sharpener early in 2022. The online Amazon purchase was reportedly up for debate because the defense argued anyone in his family could have bought it with a joint online account. Hippler stated that the account in fact was tied to Kohberger and not his family.

While there is still more to hammer out in pre-trial hearings, it certainly looks like we are headed towards an August trial.

My early take is that while Kohberger could well be convicted on circumstantial evidence alone, the state has a sizable job on its hands to convince 12 jurors beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant caused all this carnage by himself in such a short amount of time.

While it is certainly possible for one individual to do this, he or she would need exact precision and a little luck on their side.

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What do you think the trial verdict will be?

With the trial for alleged quadruple m*rderer Bryan Kohberger slated to begin later this summer in Idaho, any thoughts on what the verdict ultimately will be?

Kohberger is accused of m*rdering three University of Idaho roommates and the boyfriend of the youngest female. If convicted, he well could face the death penalty.

In having followed this case since day one, I think there is a good chance Kohberger could be convicted on circumstantial evidence alone.

His defense team has a number of things they will need to explain away to a jury of 12. That said, we do not to this day know if authorities found the knife used nor if they have a star witness or clear video evidence to show he in fact is responsible for this tragedy. My guess is we would have heard by now if they had a witness or video surveillance that clearly shows the defendant entering or leaving the home in the early morning hours of Nov. 13, 2022.

I can also see a scenario playing out where at least one juror says they do not have enough evidence to convict him and possibly send him to a death penalty sentencing in the next phase of the case.

While I do not believe the two surviving roommates were involved, their story post-mu*ders is strange to say the least. I also think while possible, the odds one individual did all this carnage in under 15 minutes is highly unlikely. You would need to know the layout of the home, how many people were there (including boyfriends spending the night), if guns and/or dogs were inside, and a little luck along the way too. IF Kohberger did this alone, he was not only quite good but also darn lucky.

With all that said, what do you think the final outcome will be later this year at trial?

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Sounds like some in the media have already convicted Kohberger

We are still months away from the trial of alleged k*ller Bryan Kohberger in the m*rders of four college students at the University of Idaho in November of 2022.

It is safe to say many people have made up their minds one way or the other on Kohberger’s guilt or innocence. For others, they still want to hear and see more evidence.

That said, this recent podcast all but convicts Kohberger of the crimes rightly or wrongly.

In going through the podcast, the subjects talk about the Amazon electronic trail of Kohberger involving a knife and sheath purchase some eight months prior to the crime. Sure, it looks damaging for the defense. That said, buying a weapon and actually committing a crime are two entirely different things.

Of more interest to me was the texting/phone call trail in the early morning hours between surviving roommates Dylan Mortensen and Bethany Funke.

I want to be clear that there is absolutely no evidence to show either Mortensen or Funke had anything to do with the m*rders. That said, their behavior on the morning of Nov. 13, 2022 is strange to say the least.

A few thoughts crossing my mind:

* The defense absolutely needs to explain the reported knife and sheath purchases by Kohberger. They also have to detail his reported searches on Amazon for a sheath after the m*rders. With that in mind, hard to believe that Kohberger waited some eight months to allegedly carry out the crime. This is one of the reasons I never bought into the allegations of stalking on his end. Keep in mind Kohberger had an apartment off-campus at Washington State University. Spending time on campus in Pullman, Kohberger would be around many coeds on a regular basis. Why allegedly drive miles away and cross the state line into Idaho to allegedly m*rder four young adults? Also keep in mind Idaho has the death penalty and Washington does not. Would you go and allegedly commit such a crime in a death penalty state?

* In the texting exchange between Mortensen and Funke, there is a reference to Xana reportedly wearing a black mask in the home. Given Xana and Kohberger were not close to the same height, one should be able to tell that the individual in the mask was not Xana and was in fact an intruder in the home. Would you go back to bed if you saw a stranger in your home masked up around 4ish in the morning? One thing we can now toss away is the idea that Mortensen and Funke slept through all of this as was initially theorized.

* I have lived with roommates back in the day. The idea that six of us (counting Ethan Chapin spending the night there) are all in the same house and two are worried about the other four in the home, yet do not go and check on them, is strange to say the least. I can’t wrap my head around the fact that Mortensen and Funke would not have gone and knocked on a door or doors when the former had seen someone in a mask in the middle of the night. To be texting for hours and waiting nearly eight hours to go knock on a door is not the norm to most people.

* While I’m happy both Mortensen and Funke survived this tragedy, they’re not kids and not victims. The four victims passed away sadly. I hope we get to hear from both survivors at trial as I feel their testimony will be important to the case for both sides. I also think it is important to hear from family members of the victims at trial. For instance, Ethan’s mom reportedly said 2 a.m. was such a dark hour that day. Why would she say such a thing? Also, if your daughter called early in the morning and mentioned about a masked individual in the home, would you not encourage her to check on housemates and/or call 911 early on?

While there is more to come in this case, I don’t see this as a slam-dunk case right now.

Kohberger may well be guilty, but it is up to Idaho to prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and not the defense team’s job to prove his innocence.

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Would you convict Kohberger with what you know now?

We are still a number of months away from a trial for quadruple m*rder suspect Bryan Kohberger.

With that in mind, how confident are you in his guilt or innocence?

I have said since the day he was arrested in late 2022 that there certainly was a chance he was guilty. Authorities had to have enough reason to go and arrest him. Otherwise, he would have continued on with his life in Pullman, Washington or continued to spend time with his parents in Pennsylvania where he was ultimately taken into custody.

That said, Kohberger has been in custody now for more than two years. Given he refused the option of a speedy trial, he continues to be in custody in Idaho awaiting what many hope will be a summer trial.

So, as we wait on the trial, how convinced are you authorities have the right individual and that justice will ultimately prevail?

There is certainly going to be circumstantial evidence against Kohberger that could lead to a conviction.

Among the things he and defense most need to worry about:

  • Reported link to him to DNA on the knife sheath found in Maddie’s bed
  • His car reportedly being in the vicinity at the time of the m*rders
  • His cell phone reportedly pinging multiple times in the area of the home
  • Being unable to provide a solid alibi to where he was at the time of the m*rders
  • Reportedly buying a similar knife some 8 months prior to the tragic event.

Among the things the prosecution should be concerned about:

  • As of now, no clear eyewitness accounting of him/his exact vehicle in or near the home at the time of the m*rders
  • A definitive link between him and the victims
  • Reported DNA traces of other individuals found under a fingernail from Maddie
  • Surviving roommates strange actions for up to some 8 hours following the reported times of death for the victims
  • A jury not having been allowed to see the home for themselves. I don’t care how many pictures, videos, models etc. the authorities come up with. It is not the same as seeing it first-hand. Even though we were told jurors were not going to have been allowed to go inside if the home was still up, seeing it from the outside alone could be telling. I was to the outside of the home twice in 2023 and it gave me a different perspective than what I saw on TV
  • No notable past crime record for Kohberger.

I could see Kohberger getting convicted and escaping the death penalty in the sentencing phase of the trial.

I could also see this ending up in a mistrial and we are back to square one.

At the end of the day, here’s hoping they get it right for all our sakes.

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Dialing up 1122 King Road again

It has been a little more than a year since I blogged on the tragic deaths of four University of Idaho students in the early morning hours of Nov. 13, 2022.

More work responsibilities, moving for the first time in 13 years, doing some traveling, and more took up a good chunk of my time over the last year. While things can still be quite hectic at times, I feel I’m in a good enough position now to shoot out some blog posts once again. The case has also picked up recently, meaning there is more news out there to discuss.

I will in an upcoming post talk about the reported knife purchase on Amazon by the defendant a number of months prior to the deaths. For now, I wanted to discuss the 911 call made that morning from 1122 King Road by the two surviving roommates and at least one friend of the victims. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1p6tPIYrTM

With the 911 call in mind, here are a few thoughts:

  • I go back-and-forth on whether it is truly authentic or was staged. Let’s face it, Dylan and Bethany have had much shade thrown their way over the last two-plus years. Some of it is off the charts ridiculous and some of it is warranted.
  • The 911 operator has taken some flack online for seeming to be uncaring and quite frankly cold. To her defense, she is trained to remain calm and collected during such calls. Given how many times the phone was being passed around at the home that morning, you can’t blame the operator for getting a little tough with the young adults.
  • Hunter says at one point to the young women to get out of the area by Xana’s bedroom. With that in mind, he obviously saw all the carnage in the room. This was obviously more than a young woman passed out from drugs, too much drinking etc.
  • During this call, there is ZERO mention of the two victims on the third floor. It is safe to assume if their vehicles were in the front driveway, both Maddie and Kaylee would be upstairs or nearby. When you find out one of your roommates is not waking up, why no effort to go check on the two upstairs or at least summons them for help? After hearing the entire released 911 call, the fact no one went up to the third floor during that time period bothers me.
  • Assuming the 911 call is introduced at trial, I can see the jury having numerous questions about it. Which side that may favor is up for debate.

What are your thoughts on the 911 call and do you think it could sway the jury one way or the other?

Until next time….

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When will we have a trial?

On a winter afternoon this past Friday, the world learned that we are no closer to a set trial date than we were when the day began.

As the case of the Idaho 4 has moved into 2024, there is no set date for defendant Bryan Kohberger to go on trial. The Pennsylvania native is accused of killings University of Idaho students Kaylee Goncalves, Maddie Mogen, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin the early morning hours of Nov. 13, 2022.

So, with no trial date in the near future, the four families are left with more uncertainty, questions than answers and so on.

At last Friday’s court hearing, the prosecution stated it could be ready for trial as soon as this summer. The state and others were shooting for a summer trial of perhaps six weeks, looking to avoid disruption for nearby Moscow High students, University of Idaho students, and even nearby Washington State University students, about a 10-minute drive across the border in Pullman.

Meantime, the defense has said that it was more inclined to go with a trial later in 2025. According to lead attorney Anne Taylor, there is no way those defending Kohberger could successfully review all the evidence (videos, photos, testimony from the experts on the case etc.) by this summer.

As it stands now, we are no closer to a trial than when we headed into last Friday’s court hearing, one of several that day.

While each of these teams (prosecution, defense) do not employ tons of people, one would think there are enough available to review all the relevant pieces of the puzzle and have a trial ready to go by this summer. While I do not feel this a delay tactic by the defense team, I do think that it is feasible to get the work done in time to go to trial later this year. Although I do understand the desire to avoid a trial while classes are in session at nearby schools, we might be a little too fixated on summer schedules. If the trial has to go on in the fall of 2024 or even next winter or spring, do it.

Finally, thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the four victims. No parent, sister, brother etc. should have to sit in limbo as they wait for their loved ones to hopefully get justice. Whether Kohberger is the killer or there are others out there involved, justice needs to come to the families sooner than later.

For those following the case, do you think a trial would be feasible by this summer or do you agree that later in 2025 is a more reasonable date?

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What is the one piece of evidence you most want to see?

As we patiently await a trial in the murders of the Idaho 4, news coming out of the case is slow. Of course much of this is the result of the gag order in place.

Keep in mind there are two scheduled hearings for this coming Friday (Jan. 26), One is open for the public and the other is slated to be a closed-door session.

Of the two slated hearings, one is supposed to hopefully come to terms on a date for the trial of accused murderer Bryan Kohberger. Although the summer of 2024 has been mentioned numerous times now as the potential trial date start, don’t hold your breath.

With that in mind, the evidence brought to bear at the trial will of course go a long way in determining if the Pennsylvania native and former Washington State University criminology department teaching assistant is found guilty or not.

So, is there one piece of evidence you are clearly looking for so that you can feel more confident police and prosecutors in fact have the right guy behind bars?

For me, I would need one or more of the following:

  1. Star witness – Is there someone who can place him in the home at 1122 King Road at the time of the murders? To date, no one has been able to do this. With all due respect to surviving roommate Dylan Mortensen, she did not clearly identify the individual she claims to have seen walk by her as she had her bedroom door open. The masked intruder was reportedly tall, had bushy eyebrows, and was wearing dark clothing. As you can see, hardly a 100 percent accurate description of the defendant.
  2. Murder weapon – Unless police have it under wraps, the murder weapon to the best of our knowledge has not been located. Having that key piece of evidence and any notable fingerprints on it would go a long way in convicting someone. While the touch DNA on the knife sheath is of course of interest to many, it can be explained away in a number of ways by the defense. Stop for a moment and think about how much of your touch DNA gets spread around your home, office, businesses you visit and the like on a daily basis.
  3. DNA under the nails of the victims – Once again, the gag order has prevented a large amount of evidence in the case from making the light of day. As a result, we are all speculating on what evidence there may or may not be. Assuming tests were done on the hands of the four victims, did any of them have DNA from the accused murderer under their fingernails? That would obviously be a key point of evidence the state could use to try and convict Kohberger.
  4. Defendant vehicle at the scene – There has been a lot of talk that Kohberger’s vehicle circled the area of the home in the hours and minutes leading up to the murders. Do police and prosecutors have his vehicle clearly identified in the vicinity of the home? That would include either his Pennsylvania license plate (back of car only since the Commonwealth does not have front plates) clearly visible or him behind the wheel. Even if they do have such evidence, I doubt it would lead 12 jurors to vote guilty on that alone. I’ve circled places of interest countless times over the years of four decades of driving. It obviously does not make me a murderer in doing so.
  5. Victim hair, possessions etc. in his apartment – With the gag order in place, it makes it all the more difficult to know what was taken from Kohberger’s apartment in Pullman early last year. Did they find any hair from the victims there? Were any possessions of the victims discovered in the home? What was on the defendant’s computer and cell phone? These of course will be things we hope to find out at trial.

While we will hopefully get a better sense of a trial date at this Friday’s court session, we will still be left with many questions. One of those big questions of course is what evidence the state has against the accused murderer.

As someone following the case, what one piece of evidence are you looking for?

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Will the University of Idaho ultimately regret taking down the home prematurely?

No doubt last Thursday’s (Dec. 28) tearing down the home at 1122 King Road evoked emotions.

Some were quite happy to see the home be razed. Given the unspeakable crime that happened there in the early morning hours of Nov. 13, 2022, some people had hoped the home would have been long gone before last Thursday.

For others, keeping the home standing through the eventual finale of a trial of defendant Bryan Kohberger was the way to go. Why risk even a slight chance of tearing down the home if it could open up a possibility of Kohberger getting off either altogether or at the appellate level should he be convicted at some point?

I have been consistent from early on saying the home should stand through a trial.

Yes, I get that it was an eyesore and did bring out emotions in many people in the neighborhood and those able to see the home in the distance.

Even with that in mind, I feel the University of Idaho made a big mistake in signing off on the home’s demise.

According to Idaho law, a jury would not have been authorized to visit the inside of the home given how altered it had become. That then leads to the question…. why was the inside so drastically changed during the state’s investigation? Sure, forensics and so on are key whenever a murder (let alone four) happens in a place. On the flip side of the coin, why was the home so drastically altered inside? If the murders were confined to the two bedrooms (one on each of the floors) as we have been told, why the need to rip out floorboards, walling and so on? We were also told early on the four victims were sleeping at the time of the killings. If so, doubtful any of them made it out of their beds alive to struggle, try and get away etc.

While I am not a conspiracy theorist in general, I do question the reported notable altering of the home by the state and its investigators. Given the long-standing gag order being in place, what other many nuggets are we going to be surprised to hear about come trial?

I’ve watched countless interviews with legal experts and law enforcement folks (many of whom are now retired and are called in by TV stations and others) over the months, notably when it came to discussing taking down the home. Not many of them thought it was a smart move by the U of I to tear it down when a jury has not even been selected and of course a trial has not taken place. For example, check out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_XNqYBHqoM

The old adage about better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it rings very true.

As for the reported cost of $700 a day for the U of I to keep the home up, hey, who wants to waste money? On the other hand, that is like a few dollars to most of us when comparing our bank accounts to the school’s financial records.

Imagine for a moment if BK ultimately is either not convicted at trial or wins on an appellate ruling. President Scott Green can then tell the four families how his decision to take the home down before a trial finishes may well have played a part in BK walking at some point.

While it has been pointed out the families were split on tearing down the home early, those against it would have every right to raise their hands up and salute Green minus four fingers showing.

So, would you have left the home up through the trial or did the school do the right thing?

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Thursday proved a sad day at 1122 King Road

It is safe to say emotions have been high for many individuals when it comes to the case of the Idaho 4.

Whether you think defendant Bryan Kohberger is guilty or not guilty, he is not the focal point. The focal point to most of us has and always will be Kaylee, Maddie, Xana and Ethan.

These four young adults in no way deserved what happened to them in the early morning hours of Nov. 13, 2022. To have their promising futures taken away from them in such a harsh manner is not something you’d wish on your worst enemy.

Against that backdrop, one of the biggest days to date in this case took place Thursday in Moscow, Idaho.

Yes, the home at 1122 King Road is no more. Several pieces of construction equipment took the rental home to the ground in a matter of a few hours. With it, so many good memories and not what took place on Nov. 13 one year ago came crashing to the ground.

Whether you were fully in support of the home being torn down, leaving it up or maybe were on the fence about it, you likely had some reaction on Thursday if invested in the case.

I have said repeatedly that the home should stand until the end of the trial. Better to have it if you need it than not have it if needed as so many people have noted in the last 24 hours.

Having been to the home (outside) twice this year, I fully understand the eyesore it was, especially to those living immediately in its shadow. No doubt seeing it daily was a painful reminder to those having to look at it up close or a block etc. away.

It is important to remember the home was NOT smack dab in the middle of the campus. This narrative by the University of Idaho administrators that the large percentage of students saw it daily is not true. It would be a totally different scenario if the house were next to the campus bookstore, library etc.

It has also been documented that the four families were split on the home coming down. Some of the comments directed specifically towards Steve and Kristi Goncalves I’ve seen in chat forums are nothing short of despicable. Whether you agree with these parents or not, for God’s sake have a little dignity and give them the chance to grieve what happened on Thursday let alone the last year. While their daughter died in that home along with three of her best friends, she also had many happy times there too.

In closing, I hope that the trial takes place sooner than later, the right person is ultimately convicted no matter who it is, and that the four families know how much support they have out there.

Thursday was a tough day for many people seeing what was once a home of a lot of joy and happiness be reduced to rubble.

At the end of the day, the University of Idaho administration can for now sleep better in knowing it buried a bad PR matter that may ultimately come back to haunt it.

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